Rappel:
1/ Sonja BlueRulebook a écrit :For the duration of the contest, all of the contested cards are turned face down and are out of play. If another unique card with the same name is brought into play, it is immediately contested and turned face down as well.
La premiere phrase du cardtext de Sonja Blue s'active meme quand elle va etre contestee (d'ou, entre autres, un deck debile de XZealot). Mais apparemment, les reponses de LSJ sur ma question sur Scarce indiquent [LSJ 20090717] que le vampire qui va contester entre en jeu.
Puis, il me semble que, pendant une contest, la carte contestee n'est absolument pas en jeu [sauf en ce qui concerne les histoires de contest].
Entre autres, on peut citer : matthias est conteste par 2 gus. Je sors mon Matthias, qui ne voit pas d'autres Salubri en jeu, je ne paie donc rien pour Scarce. Mais mon matthias voit la contest, et part lui aussi rejoindre ses potes Salubris en contest.
Donc, pendant la contest, les vamps ne sont pas en jeu. Or, les effets d'arrivee en jeu sont declenches.
Pourquoi les effets de depart de jeu (typiquement, la derniere phrase du cardtext de Sonja) ne sont-ils pas declenches au moment d'une contest?
~~~Sonja Blue
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Ventrue
Group: 4
Capacity: 5
Discipline: dom pot CEL FOR PRE
Independent: Gain 4 pool when Sonja is moved to the ready region in your influence phase. Sonja may remove a vampire's title as a (D) action. She may block as an ally (but remains a vampire in combat). During your prey's discard phase, your predator may burn 1 pool to move Sonja to his or her ready region. If Sonja leaves play, remove her from the game.
2/ Wormwood est en jeu [tout ca pour dire que la capa max est strictement inferieure a 11]. Je sors Arika pour la contester. Est-ce qu'Arika drains off immediatement, ou bien est-ce qu'elle le fera quand elle reviendra a mon untap, si Wormwood est encore en jeu ?
Wormwood
Cardtype: Event
Gehenna. Do not replace until your next discard phase.
Requires at least one other Gehenna card in play. Put 10 counters on this card. Burn 1 counter whenever another Gehenna card is put in play. A vampire whose capacity is greater than X is treated as if his or her capacity is X (minimum of 1), where X is the number of counters on this card.
2/ bis/ Grace a 2 Enchant Kindred, j'ai 6 points influences sur Sara Brando. J'en retro 2, il en reste 4. Sara Brando sort, et est contestee.
Est-ce que Sara Brando perd 1 blood avant la contest, ou est-ce qu'elle le fera quand elle reviendra en jeu a mon untap quand les autres joueurs auront lache la contest ?
2/ ter/ Je sors Tariq pour le contester. Est-ce qu'il perd son blood au moment meme, ou est-ce qu'il ne le fera que quand il reviendra de contest ?
[ces 2 cas n'ont d'importance que pour Brinksmanship, mais bon...]Tariq, The Silent
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Assamite
Group: 2
Capacity: 7
Discipline: cel AUS FOR OBF QUI
Independent: Tariq's capacity is reduced by 4 while he is controlled. Tariq can enter combat with a vampire controlled by another Methuselah as a (D) action. Blood hunts {cannot} be called on Tariq. The Blood Curse doesn't affect Tariq.
Brinksmanship
Cardtype: Political Action
Cost: 1 pool
If this referendum is successful, put this card in play. Any Methuselah who has exhausted his or her library and begins his or her untap phase with less than a full hand must attempt to withdraw. On that Methuselah's next untap phase, if the withdrawal fails, that Methuselah is ousted. If any Methuselah successfully withdraws, you are ousted.
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3/ J'influence Victor Pelletier, qui va contester. Est-ce que je peux le rendre Justicar avant qu'il ne parte en contest ?
~~~Victor Pelletier
[Promo-20060417]
Clan: Ventrue
Group: 4
Capacity: 5
Discipline: cel dom for PRE
Camarilla: When Victor enters play, you may pay 1 pool to make him a primogen, 2 pool to make him Prince of Paris, or 3 pool to make him Ventrue Justicar. If Victor's title would be contested, he immediately yields instead of contesting.
4/ Cybele (capa 10) a un Gran Madre de Dio. Je sors Anson pour contester. Qu'Anson se tappe avant de partir en contest est relativement moot, mais perd-il un blood a cause de sa capa inferieure ?
Gran Madre di Dio, Italy
Cardtype: Equipment
In play, this is a unique location and does not count as equipment.
When your predator or prey puts a minion in play in any phase except the untap phase, that minion is tapped. If that minion is a younger vampire, he or she burns 1 blood.