Vote Justicar

[Tim]

Malkavian Justicar
Title.
Choose a ready Malkavian. If this referendum is successful, put this card on the chosen Malkavian to represent the unique Camarilla title of Malkavian Justicar. In this referendum, each Malkavian gets 1 extra vote.

Peut-on le mettre sur un malk independant rendant ainsi le titre dormant imédiatement?

[Rushin' Reyda]

non. Seuls les vampires de la secte concernée peuvent gagner un titre qui correspond à cette secte. C'est dans le livre des règles.

[Rushin' Reyda]

explications de floppy sur le newsgroup :

floppyzedolfin
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More options Nov 19 2010, 1:34 am
On Nov 18, 10:35 pm, suoli <suoliruse...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> On 18 marras, 21:27, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You don't keep the card - you keep the title (and since the card
> > represents the title, you keep the card) (but depending on the change,
> > you might not be able to use the title, and if the vampire would gain
> > a new title, the inactive one would be lost forever).
> > Common examples:
> > If Greger Andersen plays Derange on Shawnda, and if Shawnda moves the
> > Derange to someone else, then Shawnda gets her Priscusness back.
> > If Arika clan impersonates into Brujah, and then burns the Clan
> > Impersonation, she's Ventrue Inner Circle anew.
> > If Francois Villon plays Anarch Secession, he becomes Baron of Paris.
> > If Anarch Secession burns, he's no longer Prince of Paris.
> Right. Either way, the end result is that anarchs can have Justicar
> titles.


The end result is that Independant vampires can have Justicar inactive
titles, yes. It does not make Anarch vampires eligible targets for a
Camarilla title, it does not mean Independant Vampires can receive
Camarilla titles.

[Stone]

Bien vu. La réponse à la question de Tim apparaît aussi en filigrane dans WSS V-4-2 (mais bon, la section concerne les titres dormants, donc en fait le filigrane est pas super bien placé..)

j'en profite pour c/c l'extrait pertinent du livret, même si je soupçonne que Tim cherche un genre de combine pour rendre le titre dormant.

10. Vampire Sects

Some of the various clans of vampires have grouped themselves into sects. Each sect represents clans with similar philosophies and goals. Each sect has its own codes of conduct and its own political structure and titles.

No matter what sect, a vampire cannot have more than one title. If a vampire with a title gains another, he loses the first title, even if the new title would be a demotion. If a vampire with a contested title (see Contested Titles, sec. 4.2) gains a title, he immediately yields the contested title.

Each vampire's sect is given in its card text, and that may override the default sect of that vampire's clan (see the lists in the following sections). If a vampire changes clans (by means of a Clan Impersonation card, for example) to a clan that belongs to a different sect, he changes sects as well.

A vampire must belong to the appropriate sect to receive a title. If a vampire with a title changes clans or sects to a clan or sect inappropriate for his title, he loses the benefit of the title until his clan or sect changes appropriately. If he receives a new title, or if his title is contested (see Contested Titles, sec. 4.2), he immediately yields the old title.


10.1. Camarilla

One of the major sects is the Camarilla, which is composed of six clans: Brujah, Malkavian, Nosferatu, Toreador, Tremere and Ventrue, as well as the Caitiff, who are technically clanless. Some vampire cards from older sets do not have any sect designation -- these vampires are all Camarilla vampires.

Only Camarilla vampires can hold the Camarilla titles primogen, prince, justicar and Inner Circle member. Additionally, each clan's justicar and Inner Circle titles are unique (see Contested Titles, sec. 4.2) and can only be held by vampires of that clan. The title of prince is associated with a particular city and can be contested by another vampire who claims any title to the same city. The title of primogen is not unique and cannot be contested.

La 1ère partie en gras est à la fois plus générique et plus précise que la seconde, puisqu'elle stipule bien "receive" (qui ne prête pas à l'ambigüité, tandis qu'à la rigueur "hold" si).

Pour finir, un lien vers un batch de questions similaires et qui contient explicitement la réponse :

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... c78dc56451