Rules Team Rulings 02-DEC-11

[floppyzedolfin]

As always, changes contained herein do not go into effect for sanctioned tournaments for 30 days. (So these become active on January 1st, 2012.)

New terms:
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Ballot:

A “ballot” is the name of the former’s priscus vote, cast in the prisci subreferendum. A ballot isn’t a vote, so some cardtexts were updated to match the distinction. For instance, Bribes now reads : “Only usable during a referendum before votes {and ballots} are cast.
Gain 1 pool. Any other Methuselah who {casts one or more votes or ballots} in favor of and does not {cast votes nor ballots} against the referendum gains 1 pool when the results of the referendum are tallied.”


Rulebook updates:
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The Prisci block (6.3.3):

The prisci as a group have 3 votes. During a referendum, the prisci block of 3 votes is cast "for" or "against" the referendum according to the prisci subreferendum. Each ready priscus provides 1 ballot for this subreferendum, and votes may not be used in this subreferendum.
Each ballot is either "for" or "against" the main referendum. Whichever side has the greater number of ballots in the subreferendum gains 3 votes in the main referendum. If the subreferendum is tied, the prisci block abstains from the main vote. As vampires cast their
ballots in the subreferendum, the prisci block of 3 votes might shift between "for", "against", and "abstain" (as the majority in the subreferendum changes). A vampire must cast all of his votes and ballots in agreement.

Action taken from Card in play (6.1.6):

A minion cannot perform {each} action allowed by a card in play more than once each turn, even if he untaps. This addresses a question regarding the Kaymakli Fragment (but applies to several other cards too).

Terminology (11):

“Ballot”:

The influence a Priscus has. A Priscus title grants 1 ballot.

“During X, do Y”:

The “during X do Y” template is used in several cards. When this template is used, only one Y can be done per X with this card. For instance, you may move blood from your vampire to your pool with Vessel only once per untap phase.

“Cancel a card”:

A "canceled" card has no effect, but it is still considered played. Unless explicitly written, cost for the card is paid. If the card was a strike card, the minion who played it must choose a strike, which might come from another strike card. If the
card was an action card, the minion doesn’t tap (he doesn’t pay for the action card), and can play the same action card again.

“Tap X to do Y”:

Some cards use this wording, for instance: superior Bauble, Isanwayen. Such effects can’t be used by tapped minions, even those “able to play cards as though untapped”. These effects require an untapped minion to be used. Conversely, “Tap X. Do Y”
effects (for instance: Redirection) are usable by tapped minions “able to play cards as though untapped”.


Complete Rules Reference (Outline):
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Cost of a card:

When there are several options to pay the cost of a card, the Methuselah playing the card must announce, as part of the terms of the card, how other cards will be used to pay for the cost. For instance, a Ravnos playing an Embrace while Ravnos Carnival is in play must announce how much blood from the Carnival will be used to pay for the Embrace. Similarly, when using Travis “Traveler72” Miller’s built-in action, the Methuselah must announce which conviction will be used to pay for the cost (if Travis has more than one kind).

End of turn:

Your turn ends when your discard phase ends. The Outline had this wrong.


Clarifications:
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Advanced vampires:

All advanced vampires now read "Advanced" in their cardtext (some of them were lacking it).

Spelling:

Some typos (Ahrimanes, Blood Brothers) have been fixed.

Strike with Conviction:

If the action to bleed with Strike with Conviction is blocked, Strike with Conviction isn’t burned. The action it provides is to burn it and bleed (none of which happens if the action is blocked).

Titled vampires:

All vampires with “... has X votes” now have the “(titled)” cardtext.

Unique locquipment:

Equipment cards that represent unique locations in play have been updated to show they are unique equipment when not in play. For instance, Ankara Citadel is a unique equipment when it is in the ash heap.

Wording of “successfully [bleeds]”:

When appropriate, this has been replaced with “when [..] would successfully [bleed]”. Examples are Andre LeRoux, superior Spying Mission, Dis Pater.

Wording of “when X plays”:

Rulings show this effect always applies after the “as played” window. Cardtexts (Permanency, Sascha Vykos ADV, Servitor of Irad, Swiss Cut, Troglodytia) have been updated for better understanding.


Errata:
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Ballots:

Several library and crypt cards were updated to match the ballot keyword. All the rulings that applied to such cards have been used to keep consistency.

Change aggravated damage to normal:

Cards with "change X aggravated damage to normal" have been updated to match "treats X aggravated as normal" - Adaptability, Death Pact, Fire Dance, Merrill Molitor. The damage is still aggravated (for matters such as Soak or Rötschreck).

Combat cards are played inside combat:

Psyche! and Coordinate Attacks have had their cardtexts changed to match the fact that they are combat cards, and should be played inside combat. These cards are now playable at the end of a round with no next round. They are treated as normal combat cards.

Domain of Evernight:

[TEM] Only usable when an action is successful. {Usable after resolution.} Untap this acting vampire. A vampire can play only one Domain of Evernight at superior each turn.

Pocket Out of Time:

[TEM] {Playable after a combat.} After any combat this action, this vampire can burn 1 blood to start a new combat with the opposing minion (if both combatants are still ready).

Villein:

Master: trifle.
Put this card on a vampire you control and move 2 or more blood from that vampire to your pool. Minion Tap cards cost {you} an additional pool. Villein costs an additional pool to play on this vampire.


Tournament Rules update:
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Section 4.1 Cards allowed:

Cards allowed All cards in a player's deck must be genuine Vampire: The Eternal Struggle or Jyhad cards or official V:EKN issued cards from the only authoritative source www.vekn.net. When using V:EKN issued cards they must be color printed on standard paper and inserted
into opaque sleeves before another Vampire: The Eternal Struggle or Jyhad card, this requires opaque sleeves for the whole crypt and/or library.
Section 4.8 Play to win:

During the finals, playing to win means playing to finish as tournament winner (as defined in 3.7.5).

[acbishop]

Each ballot is either "for" or "against" the main referendum.

Donc un priscus ne peut pas s'abstenir avec son ballot et il doit fortement dire pour ou contre, c'est ça?

[floppyzedolfin]

Non - s'il l'utilise, ca sera "pour" ou "contre" (de la meme facon qu'avant, la regle etait:

The Prisci Block. The prisci as a group have 3 votes. During a referendum, the prisci block of 3 votes is cast "for" or "against" the referendum according to the prisci subreferendum. Each ready priscus provides 1 vote for this subreferendum, and no other votes may be used in this subreferendum. Each vote is either "for" or "against" the main referendum. Whichever side has the greater number of votes in the subreferendum gains 3 votes in the main referendum. If the subreferendum is tied, the prisci abstain from the main vote. As prisci cast their votes in the subreferendum, the prisci block of 3 votes may shift between "for," "against" and "abstain" (as the majority in the subreferendum changes).

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La ligne "there is no obligation to vote" (6.3.2.2) va devenir "this is no obligation to cast votes or ballots"

[Rushin' Reyda]

Villein:

Master: trifle.
Put this card on a vampire you control and move 2 or more blood from that vampire to your pool. Minion Tap cards cost {you} an additional pool. Villein costs an additional pool to play on this vampire.

PHOQUE YAISSE

[Dino X]

Âvant de s'emballer, c'est SUR DE CHEZ SUR??? On a bien compris ce qu'il y avait a comprendre?Si on met QUE des Minion Tap dans SON deck, c'est gratos?

[Ankha]

Âvant de s'emballer, c'est SUR DE CHEZ SUR??? On a bien compris ce qu'il y avait a comprendre?Si on met QUE des Minion Tap dans SON deck, c'est gratos?

Oui, à partir du 1er janvier, les pauvres pourront recommencer à jouer

[floppyzedolfin]

Âvant de s'emballer, c'est SUR DE CHEZ SUR??? On a bien compris ce qu'il y avait a comprendre?Si on met QUE des Minion Tap dans SON deck, c'est gratos?

sauf si tu les joues sur des mecs sous secure haven. Mais sinon, oui.

[Rushin' Reyda]

Âvant de s'emballer, c'est SUR DE CHEZ SUR??? On a bien compris ce qu'il y avait a comprendre?Si on met QUE des Minion Tap dans SON deck, c'est gratos?

saur si tu joues des villeins aussi. Ou que tu les joues sur des mecs sous secure haven. Mais sinon, oui.

oublie pas que tu les paieras de toutes façons très cher parce que grand étourdi, tu auras mis Tarautas et Walks with might dans ton deck.

[Stone]

on peut déplacer le curseur hors de la zone "cryptique" ?
que fait ce thread dans "Jeu"? On a pas un forum Règles ?
sinon on poste carrément dans VEKN Nord-Est, la prochaine fois...
inouï comme les choses les plus simples deviennent horriblement compliquées

[derjudge]

Âvant de s'emballer, c'est SUR DE CHEZ SUR??? On a bien compris ce qu'il y avait a comprendre?Si on met QUE des Minion Tap dans SON deck, c'est gratos?

sauf si tu as des villeins aussi (graverobb d'un gus avec un villein). Ou que tu les joues sur des mecs sous secure haven. Mais sinon, oui.

Tu es sur?
Les villeins sur ses vampires joués par d'autres joueurs sont controlé par les autres joueurs? Donc ils augmentent le cout de minion tap de l'autre joueur?

[floppyzedolfin]

Âvant de s'emballer, c'est SUR DE CHEZ SUR??? On a bien compris ce qu'il y avait a comprendre?Si on met QUE des Minion Tap dans SON deck, c'est gratos?

sauf si tu as des villeins aussi (graverobb d'un gus avec un villein). Ou que tu les joues sur des mecs sous secure haven. Mais sinon, oui.

Tu es sur?
Les villeins sur ses vampires joués par d'autres joueurs sont controlé par les autres joueurs? Donc ils augmentent le cout de minion tap de l'autre joueur?

me faut du sommeil ...

[Stone]

Wording of “when X plays”:

Rulings show this effect always applies after the “as played” window. Cardtexts (Permanency, Sascha Vykos ADV, Servitor of Irad, Swiss Cut, Troglodytia) have been updated for better understanding.

d'après http://www.vekn.net/images/stories/down ... rdlist.txt , dont la MAJ est de 2015, le texte de Troglodytia est le suivant :
Name: Troglodytia
[LoB:U, HttB:PSam]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Samedi
Group: 4
Capacity: 10
Discipline: obf pot AUS FOR NEC THN
Independent: After any Methuselah plays a master card, you may look at that Methuselah's hand (after the replacement card is drawn). +1 strength.
Artist: James Stowe

Donc le understanding est vachement amélioré, puisque "after" remplace "when". Perso, je comprenais déjà très bien du fait de la précision "(after the replacement card is drawn)" qui existait déjà dans la version d'origine.

Question :
Une Liquidation est jouée. Le pouvoir de Troglodytia s'active
-lors du remplacement de Liquidation
-après résolution de Liquidation

Ankha me soutient mordicus que c'est après résolution, mais je ne trouve pas de trace écrite en dehors de l'interprétation du RTR (et ce seul RTR m'aurait suffi s'il avait été un chouïa explicité avec des exemples, mais vu que mon understanding était pas spécialement amélioré par le maintien de "after the replacement card is drawn", je préfère confirmer.


Name: Liquidation
[Tenth:A/B]
Cardtype: Master
Master. Do not replace until your discard phase.
Burn seven cards from the top of your library to gain 3 pool.
Artist: James Stowe

[cordovader]

Wording of “when X plays”:

Rulings show this effect always applies after the “as played” window. Cardtexts (Permanency, Sascha Vykos ADV, Servitor of Irad, Swiss Cut, Troglodytia) have been updated for better understanding.

d'après http://www.vekn.net/images/stories/down ... rdlist.txt , dont la MAJ est de 2015, le texte de Troglodytia est le suivant :
Name: Troglodytia
[LoB:U, HttB:PSam]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Samedi
Group: 4
Capacity: 10
Discipline: obf pot AUS FOR NEC THN
Independent: After any Methuselah plays a master card, you may look at that Methuselah's hand (after the replacement card is drawn). +1 strength.
Artist: James Stowe

Donc le understanding est vachement amélioré, puisque "after" remplace "when". Perso, je comprenais déjà très bien du fait de la précision "(after the replacement card is drawn)" qui existait déjà dans la version d'origine.

Question :
Une Liquidation est jouée. Le pouvoir de Troglodytia s'active
-lors du remplacement de Liquidation
-après résolution de Liquidation

Ankha me soutient mordicus que c'est après résolution, mais je ne trouve pas de trace écrite en dehors de l'interprétation du RTR (et ce seul RTR m'aurait suffi s'il avait été un chouïa explicité avec des exemples, mais vu que mon understanding était pas spécialement amélioré par le maintien de "after the replacement card is drawn", je préfère confirmer.


Name: Liquidation
[Tenth:A/B]
Cardtype: Master
Master. Do not replace until your discard phase.
Burn seven cards from the top of your library to gain 3 pool.
Artist: James Stowe

Je vais te faire chier avec une question plus tordue.

Qu'est-ce qu'il se passe si :

Joueur A n'a pas de cartes dans la library et 7 cartes dans sa main.
Joueur B contrôle Troglodytia.
Joueur A joue une master et ne remplace pas (il ne restent plus de cartes dans sa library).

Est-ce que le joueur B peut encore regarder la main du joueur A ou pas ?

J'imagine que dans le deux cas c'est après jouer la carte (dans Liquidation et dans le cas ou il ne restent plus de cartes dans la library), mais bon, c'est toujours bien de demander.

[Ankha]

Joueur A n'a pas de cartes dans la library et 7 cartes dans sa main.
Joueur B contrôle Troglodytia.
Joueur A joue une master et ne remplace pas (il ne restent plus de cartes dans sa library).

Est-ce que le joueur B peut encore regarder la main du joueur A ou pas ?

J'imagine que dans le deux cas c'est après jouer la carte (dans Liquidation et dans le cas ou il ne restent plus de cartes dans la library), mais bon, c'est toujours bien de demander.

Le "(after the replacement card is drawn)" est un reminder. Le pouvoir de Troglodytia s'active quand la carte est jouée. Si la carte ne peut pas être remplacée à ce moment-là, on regarde la main incomplète.

[floppyzedolfin]

Question :
Une Liquidation est jouée. Le pouvoir de Troglodytia s'active
-lors du remplacement de Liquidation
-après résolution de Liquidation

Name: Liquidation
[Tenth:A/B]
Cardtype: Master
Master. Do not replace until your discard phase.
Burn seven cards from the top of your library to gain 3 pool.
Artist: James Stowe

Apres resolution.