Sword of Caine (la côte des rares)
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Sword of Caine (la côte des rares)
Pour finir d'établir la côte succubus de sword of caine, j'aimerais vous communiquer la liste des rares selon comme nous les avons évalué et avoir votre avis si vous pensez que nous nous soyons trompé en quelque chose. Si vous voulez en profiter pour disserter sur les cartes, n'hésitez pas.
Pick 1 : bonne rare recherchée parce que nécessaire en beaucoup d'exemplaires
Type 1: forte rare mais nécessaire en peu d'exemplaires
Type 2: bonne rare mais nécessaire en peu d'exemplaires
Type 3: wallpaper + ou -
Pick 1:
drink the blood of ahriman
liquefy the mortal coil
mantle the bestial majesty
tribunal judgment
Type 1:
drop point network
guarded rubrics
ruins of cheoris
Type 2:
black hand emissary
frame an ancient grudge
the uncoiling
watchtower: the wolves feed
Type 3:
census taker
epiphany
follow the blood
joseph pander
praetorian backer
prison of the mind
seraph's second
trophy:chosen
Pour rappel les textes des cartes rares:
Black Hand Emissary
1 pool
+1 stealth action. Requires a ready Seraph. Unique.
Put this card on a ready Black Hand vampire. This Black Hand vampire gets X additional votes, where X is the number of ready Black Hand vampires you control. Any Seraph may move this card to a ready Black Hand vampire as +1 stealth D action, directed at the controller of this card.
Census Taker
Master.
1 pool
Unique master. Put this card on a ready Black Hand vampire. During an action, this Black Hand can tap to give any other Sabbat vampire +1 bleed or 2 additional votes for the current action. During an action, this Black Hand vampire can tap to give any other Black Hand vampire +1 intercept.
Drink the Blood of Ahriman
Lasombra
+1 stealth action.
Put this card on this acting Lasombra. The Lasombra with this card has +1 strength and burns one less blood when playing cards that require Obtenebration. During your untap phase, this Lasombra burns 1 blood or this card is burned. Burn this card if any ranged aggravated damage is done to this vampire, even if it is prevented.
Drop Point Network
Master.
1 pool
Requires a ready Black Hand vampire.
Remove 7 cards in your ash heap from the game to search your library for a minion card. Show it to all players and move it to your hand. Discard afterward.
DRAFT: As above, but remove only 3 cards.
Epiphany
+2 stealth action. Requires an unmerged base vampire.
Untap this acting vampire and search your crypt, uncontrolled region, or ash heap for his or her advanced version to move to him or her. Shuffle your crypt afterward.
DRAFT: Gain 2 blood. Usable by any vampire (base, advanced or merged).
Follow the Blood
Requires a Black Hand vampire.
Only usable when a hunt action is successful, after resolution.
This Black Hand vampire untaps and enters combat with the acting vampire. This reacting vampire gets an optional maneuver or press in that combat.
Framing an Ancient Grudge
Ventrue antitribu
Master.
Choose a prince or primogen, or burn 3 pool to choose a justicar. the chosen vampire loses his or her title.
DRAFT: Ventrue antitribu As above, but pay 1 pool to choose any titled vampire.
Guarded Rubrics
1 pool.
Unique equipment. Requires a ready Black Hand vampire.
The vampire with this equipment may bleed at +2 bleed as a (D) action that costs 1 blood. While bearer is ready, Gehenna cards cost an additional pool to play.
Joseph Pander.
Unique Master.
Put his card in play. Tap and burn 1 pool to cause a D action against a Pander you control to fail. During your master phase, choose a Pander. Once this turn, that Pander may enter combat with any minion as a D action. Any Sabbat vampire may
burn this card as a D action.
Liquefy the Mortal Coil
2 blood
vic: Strike: Burn the opposing ally or burn 3 blood from the opposingyounger vampire. If the opposing vampire has no blood after strikeresolution, combat ends.
VIC: Play before range is determinad in combat with a younger vampire. This vampire cannot strike this round. As his or her initial strike next round this vampire may strike to diablerize the opposing younger vampire.
Mantle of the Bestial Majesty
1 blood
pro: +1 stealth action. The acting vampire untaps. Until his or her next untap phase damage from this vampire's hand strikes is aggravated.
PRO: As above, and this vampire gets +1 strength until his or her next untap phase.
Praetorian Backer
1 pool
+1 stealth action. Requires a ready Seraph. Unique. Title.
Put this card on a non-Black Hand Sabbat vampire whith capacity above 6 to represent the title of cardinal. Burn this card if you do not control a ready Seraph (or if this vampire otherwise loses the title).
Prison of the mind
3 blood
dem: +1 stealth action. (D) burn an ally or retainer.
DEM: (D) Put this card on a vampire. This vampire has -1 stealth and -2 intercept. Any vampire(s) can burn this card whith three +1 stealth actions. A vampire can have only one prison of the mind.
Ruins of Ceoris
Equipment
Tremere antitribu, no cost
This equipment card represents a unique location and does not count as equipment while in play.
The Tremere antitribu with this location gets an optional maneuver or press each combat.
Seraph's Second
Action Modifier
Requires a ready Seraph. Only usable when a non-Seraph Black Hand vampire is acting, after resolution.
Untap the acting Black Hand vampire. A Seraph may play only one Seraph's Second each turn.
Tribunal Judgment
Requires a Sabbat vampire.
Choose a vampire who cast any votes in the most recent referendum (must be since your last turn). Successful referendum means that vampire takes X damage, where X is the number of votes he or she cast in that previous referendum.
Trophy: Chosen
Master.
When this card is moved to a vampire, that vampire gains 4 blood, becomes sabbat and untaps or that vampire can choose to burn this card instead. The vampire with this card is Black Hand. If he or she was already Black Hand when receiving this card, he or she is Seraph.
Draft: (Master, not a Trophy)
Add 2 blood to a Black Hand vampire.
The Uncoiling
Event
Do not replace as long as this card is in play.
During your discard phase, burn one other event at random. ANy other Methuselah may use a discard phase action and burn X pool to burn this card, where X is the number of the other events in play.
Watchtower: The Wolves Feed
Master. Burn option.
1 pool
Master: watchtower. Requires at least one gehenna card in play and a ready Seraph.
Black Hand vampires get +1 stealth and may strike for 2R damage. A ready Black Hand vampire you control may tap to cancel a Gehenna card as it is played. During your untap phase, burn X pool or burn this card, where X is the number of gehenna cards in play (minimum of 1). Burn this card if another watchtower enters play.
Pick 1 : bonne rare recherchée parce que nécessaire en beaucoup d'exemplaires
Type 1: forte rare mais nécessaire en peu d'exemplaires
Type 2: bonne rare mais nécessaire en peu d'exemplaires
Type 3: wallpaper + ou -
Pick 1:
drink the blood of ahriman
liquefy the mortal coil
mantle the bestial majesty
tribunal judgment
Type 1:
drop point network
guarded rubrics
ruins of cheoris
Type 2:
black hand emissary
frame an ancient grudge
the uncoiling
watchtower: the wolves feed
Type 3:
census taker
epiphany
follow the blood
joseph pander
praetorian backer
prison of the mind
seraph's second
trophy:chosen
Pour rappel les textes des cartes rares:
Black Hand Emissary
1 pool
+1 stealth action. Requires a ready Seraph. Unique.
Put this card on a ready Black Hand vampire. This Black Hand vampire gets X additional votes, where X is the number of ready Black Hand vampires you control. Any Seraph may move this card to a ready Black Hand vampire as +1 stealth D action, directed at the controller of this card.
Census Taker
Master.
1 pool
Unique master. Put this card on a ready Black Hand vampire. During an action, this Black Hand can tap to give any other Sabbat vampire +1 bleed or 2 additional votes for the current action. During an action, this Black Hand vampire can tap to give any other Black Hand vampire +1 intercept.
Drink the Blood of Ahriman
Lasombra
+1 stealth action.
Put this card on this acting Lasombra. The Lasombra with this card has +1 strength and burns one less blood when playing cards that require Obtenebration. During your untap phase, this Lasombra burns 1 blood or this card is burned. Burn this card if any ranged aggravated damage is done to this vampire, even if it is prevented.
Drop Point Network
Master.
1 pool
Requires a ready Black Hand vampire.
Remove 7 cards in your ash heap from the game to search your library for a minion card. Show it to all players and move it to your hand. Discard afterward.
DRAFT: As above, but remove only 3 cards.
Epiphany
+2 stealth action. Requires an unmerged base vampire.
Untap this acting vampire and search your crypt, uncontrolled region, or ash heap for his or her advanced version to move to him or her. Shuffle your crypt afterward.
DRAFT: Gain 2 blood. Usable by any vampire (base, advanced or merged).
Follow the Blood
Requires a Black Hand vampire.
Only usable when a hunt action is successful, after resolution.
This Black Hand vampire untaps and enters combat with the acting vampire. This reacting vampire gets an optional maneuver or press in that combat.
Framing an Ancient Grudge
Ventrue antitribu
Master.
Choose a prince or primogen, or burn 3 pool to choose a justicar. the chosen vampire loses his or her title.
DRAFT: Ventrue antitribu As above, but pay 1 pool to choose any titled vampire.
Guarded Rubrics
1 pool.
Unique equipment. Requires a ready Black Hand vampire.
The vampire with this equipment may bleed at +2 bleed as a (D) action that costs 1 blood. While bearer is ready, Gehenna cards cost an additional pool to play.
Joseph Pander.
Unique Master.
Put his card in play. Tap and burn 1 pool to cause a D action against a Pander you control to fail. During your master phase, choose a Pander. Once this turn, that Pander may enter combat with any minion as a D action. Any Sabbat vampire may
burn this card as a D action.
Liquefy the Mortal Coil
2 blood
vic: Strike: Burn the opposing ally or burn 3 blood from the opposingyounger vampire. If the opposing vampire has no blood after strikeresolution, combat ends.
VIC: Play before range is determinad in combat with a younger vampire. This vampire cannot strike this round. As his or her initial strike next round this vampire may strike to diablerize the opposing younger vampire.
Mantle of the Bestial Majesty
1 blood
pro: +1 stealth action. The acting vampire untaps. Until his or her next untap phase damage from this vampire's hand strikes is aggravated.
PRO: As above, and this vampire gets +1 strength until his or her next untap phase.
Praetorian Backer
1 pool
+1 stealth action. Requires a ready Seraph. Unique. Title.
Put this card on a non-Black Hand Sabbat vampire whith capacity above 6 to represent the title of cardinal. Burn this card if you do not control a ready Seraph (or if this vampire otherwise loses the title).
Prison of the mind
3 blood
dem: +1 stealth action. (D) burn an ally or retainer.
DEM: (D) Put this card on a vampire. This vampire has -1 stealth and -2 intercept. Any vampire(s) can burn this card whith three +1 stealth actions. A vampire can have only one prison of the mind.
Ruins of Ceoris
Equipment
Tremere antitribu, no cost
This equipment card represents a unique location and does not count as equipment while in play.
The Tremere antitribu with this location gets an optional maneuver or press each combat.
Seraph's Second
Action Modifier
Requires a ready Seraph. Only usable when a non-Seraph Black Hand vampire is acting, after resolution.
Untap the acting Black Hand vampire. A Seraph may play only one Seraph's Second each turn.
Tribunal Judgment
Requires a Sabbat vampire.
Choose a vampire who cast any votes in the most recent referendum (must be since your last turn). Successful referendum means that vampire takes X damage, where X is the number of votes he or she cast in that previous referendum.
Trophy: Chosen
Master.
When this card is moved to a vampire, that vampire gains 4 blood, becomes sabbat and untaps or that vampire can choose to burn this card instead. The vampire with this card is Black Hand. If he or she was already Black Hand when receiving this card, he or she is Seraph.
Draft: (Master, not a Trophy)
Add 2 blood to a Black Hand vampire.
The Uncoiling
Event
Do not replace as long as this card is in play.
During your discard phase, burn one other event at random. ANy other Methuselah may use a discard phase action and burn X pool to burn this card, where X is the number of the other events in play.
Watchtower: The Wolves Feed
Master. Burn option.
1 pool
Master: watchtower. Requires at least one gehenna card in play and a ready Seraph.
Black Hand vampires get +1 stealth and may strike for 2R damage. A ready Black Hand vampire you control may tap to cancel a Gehenna card as it is played. During your untap phase, burn X pool or burn this card, where X is the number of gehenna cards in play (minimum of 1). Burn this card if another watchtower enters play.
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Pick 1:
drink the blood of ahriman -> Type 3, c'est un peu de la boue en barre
liquefy the mortal coil
mantle the bestial majesty
tribunal judgment
Type 1:
drop point network
guarded rubrics
ruins of cheoris -> Type 2 c'est pas la rare ultime non plus
Type 2:
black hand emissary
frame an ancient grudge
the uncoiling -> Type 1, présente dans tous les futurs decks sans event
watchtower: the wolves feed
Type 3:
census taker
epiphany -> Pick 1, utile dans certains decks, et 4-5 exemplaires nécessaires au minimum dans ce cas
follow the blood
joseph pander -> Type 2,5 pas si mauvais que ça
praetorian backer -> Type 2 bonne carte dans un jeu BH
prison of the mind
seraph's second -> Type 2 idem
trophy:chosen
drink the blood of ahriman -> Type 3, c'est un peu de la boue en barre
liquefy the mortal coil
mantle the bestial majesty
tribunal judgment
Type 1:
drop point network
guarded rubrics
ruins of cheoris -> Type 2 c'est pas la rare ultime non plus
Type 2:
black hand emissary
frame an ancient grudge
the uncoiling -> Type 1, présente dans tous les futurs decks sans event
watchtower: the wolves feed
Type 3:
census taker
epiphany -> Pick 1, utile dans certains decks, et 4-5 exemplaires nécessaires au minimum dans ce cas
follow the blood
joseph pander -> Type 2,5 pas si mauvais que ça
praetorian backer -> Type 2 bonne carte dans un jeu BH
prison of the mind
seraph's second -> Type 2 idem
trophy:chosen
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merci pour tes remarquesAnkha a écrit : the uncoiling -> Type 1, présente dans tous les futurs decks sans event ah bon? c'est quand même cassable
Type 3:
census taker
epiphany -> Pick 1, utile dans certains decks, et 4-5 exemplaires nécessaires au minimum dans ce cas tu peux citer des decks qui en font une utilisation meilleure que gift of experience
praetorian backer -> Type 2 bonne carte dans un jeu BH jouable sur un non black hand only quand même
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Re: Sword of Caine (la côte des rares)
Je mettrai ces deux-là en type 1TTC_master a écrit :frame an ancient grudge
the uncoiling

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Re: Sword of Caine (la côte des rares)
Ma vision des choses :
Pick 1:
drink the blood of ahriman -> Type 2, voire 3
liquefy the mortal coil
mantle the bestial majesty
tribunal judgment -> Type 3
Type 1:
drop point network
guarded rubrics
ruins of cheoris
Type 2:
black hand emissary
frame an ancient grudge -> Type 1
the uncoiling -> Type 1
watchtower: the wolves feed -> Type 1
Type 3:
census taker
epiphany -> Type 2
follow the blood
joseph pander
praetorian backer -> Type 2
prison of the mind
seraph's second -> Type 2
trophy:chosen
Il manque Cloak of Blood dans ta liste. C'est clairement du Type 3, voire 4
Pick 1:
drink the blood of ahriman -> Type 2, voire 3
liquefy the mortal coil
mantle the bestial majesty
tribunal judgment -> Type 3
Type 1:
drop point network
guarded rubrics
ruins of cheoris
Type 2:
black hand emissary
frame an ancient grudge -> Type 1
the uncoiling -> Type 1
watchtower: the wolves feed -> Type 1
Type 3:
census taker
epiphany -> Type 2
follow the blood
joseph pander
praetorian backer -> Type 2
prison of the mind
seraph's second -> Type 2
trophy:chosen
Il manque Cloak of Blood dans ta liste. C'est clairement du Type 3, voire 4

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Re: Sword of Caine (la côte des rares)
même question, peux tu me justifier pourquoi tu la jouerais?Nicolas a écrit :Je mettrai ces deux-là en type 1TTC_master a écrit :frame an ancient grudge
the uncoiling
(je veux dire, par exemple, tu ne joues pas not to be en général je suppose? et fear of mekhet la joues-tu souvent? quelle différence avec ces deux cartes?)
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Re: Sword of Caine (la côte des rares)
la grosse difference entre not to be et uncoiling et qu'il faut avoir not to be dans la main au bon momentTTC_master a écrit :même question, peux tu me justifier pourquoi tu la jouerais?Nicolas a écrit :Je mettrai ces deux-là en type 1TTC_master a écrit :frame an ancient grudge
the uncoiling
(je veux dire, par exemple, tu ne joues pas not to be en général je suppose? et fear of mekhet la joues-tu souvent? quelle différence avec ces deux cartes?)
et frame an ancient grudge rentre dans tous les jeu !ventrue vote qui s'oriente généralement avec ce clan a enlever les votes autres (demonstration, quentin ....)
veux jouer a vampire mais n'a pas le temps
snif !!!!!
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adrien ordines trade : Want/Have
snif !!!!!
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adrien ordines trade : Want/Have
adri...qd c qu'on te voit le lundi soir? comment ça je flood bon mon avis sur l'extension, que j'ai d'ailleurs pas encore vue: passer au groupe 5 alors que le 4 est loin d'etre fini c très bof
je meurs: un peu, beaucoup passionement, à la folie, pas du tout.....
s'il n'en reste qu'un ce sera moi...
PII
Have/want!
s'il n'en reste qu'un ce sera moi...
PII
Have/want!
Re: Sword of Caine (la côte des rares)
Voilà !!! 8)kas kran a écrit :la grosse difference entre not to be et uncoiling et qu'il faut avoir not to be dans la main au bon momentTTC_master a écrit :même question, peux tu me justifier pourquoi tu la jouerais?Nicolas a écrit : Je mettrai ces deux-là en type 1
(je veux dire, par exemple, tu ne joues pas not to be en général je suppose? et fear of mekhet la joues-tu souvent? quelle différence avec ces deux cartes?)
et frame an ancient grudge rentre dans tous les jeu !ventrue vote qui s'oriente généralement avec ce clan a enlever les votes autres (demonstration, quentin ....)
edit : et aussi Fear of Mekhet peut se retourner contre toi, pas The Uncoiling...
Dernière modification par Nicolas le 23 mars 2007, 09:56, modifié 1 fois.
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- François V.
- Messages : 2390
- Inscription : 30 juillet 2002, 10:48
- Localisation : la Villette tchaptahaouze
- Ankha
- Administrateur & Inner Circle - Rule monger & Ratings Coordinator
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- Inscription : 13 décembre 2003, 22:31
- Localisation : Loin dans le vide en-dessous
Pas terrible comme carte. A moins d'avoir un kiki BH que tu gardes sous le coude, détappé au cas où...TTC_master a écrit :Ca pête Anthelios ou Unmasking, et comme l'on dit les autres, pas besoin de l'avoir en main au moment pile.Ankha a écrit : the uncoiling -> Type 1, présente dans tous les futurs decks sans event ah bon? c'est quand même cassable
Tariq multi-rush, Valerius, ton deck Petaniqua. Tous les jeux basés sur un bon vampire qui peut être merged.TTC_master a écrit :Type 3:
census taker
epiphany -> Pick 1, utile dans certains decks, et 4-5 exemplaires nécessaires au minimum dans ce cas tu peux citer des decks qui en font une utilisation meilleure que gift of experience
François V. a écrit :Y a que moi qui aime Census Taker ici ?
Je la remonterai en type 2.
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Je sais pas, la plupart des decks BH jouent en groupe 3 avec souvent Piotr Andreikov qui peut faire des Kamut des le tour 2...Ankha a écrit :
Pas terrible comme carte. A moins d'avoir un kiki BH que tu gardes sous le coude, détappé au cas où...François V. a écrit :Y a que moi qui aime Census Taker ici ?
Je la remonterai en type 2.
François V.
LSJ a écrit :I have no idea what this question is asking.
But I suspect the answer is: card text.